Comments on: A Reflection On Adopting Zend Framework – One Year Later

By: Hari K T

Hari K T — Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:08:10 +0000

Truly said .
You should never look back after choosing a framework or go and look another framework which implements a particular feature.
When I started learning Zend I didn’t understand many in the doc. But when looking into it now a days I feel comfortable.
Its same like learning PHP as you said :).

By: arnold friend

arnold friend — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:18:46 +0000

btw, i wasn’t trying to be overly critical – I’ve been using ZF for five years and was very curious of what the interpretation of a set of “new eyes” would be.

By: arnold friend

arnold friend — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:10:00 +0000

I agree with Steve: there’s absolutely no substantive discussion regarding the topic in question. This comes across, at least in my opinion, as more of generalized motivational speech; in summation: learning is hard; if you’re going learn to swim, dive in; if you don’t initially succeed, try, try again. A tad cliche friend; btw, hello from DC (glover park).

By: Steve Clay

Steve Clay — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:04:01 +0000

ZF is in the title and four places in the opening paragraphs, so I just wasn’t expecting a generalization :) Most of the blog posts reflecting on frameworks are written early into adoption so you get mostly an idea of the learning experience and initial impressions rather than how the framework suited the organization/projects in the long run, what became easy once you gained experience, what seemed great at first but turned out to be a trap, etc. That kind of two-years-in wisdom seems hard to come by.

By: Brandon Savage

Brandon Savage — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:15:14 +0000

Steve, in my experience there are plenty of blog posts that can talk about the technical likes and dislikes of various frameworks. I wanted to avoid duplicating that discussion here, and instead focus on some of the aspects of learning a framework that are difficult or stressful.

Zend Framework is a mixed bag in terms of whether or not it was ultimately a successful framework for my needs. It came through marvelously in some areas, and failed in others. Moreover, I came through marvelously in some areas and failed in others; implementation of access control is one example, where I could have done a better job understanding how the framework operated and adhering to those principles.

By: Steve Clay

Steve Clay — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:14:01 +0000

Here’s the link: http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV2/Zend+Framework+2.0+Requirements. Long, but good honest assessment of the limitations of ZF 1.x and the hurdles on the path to 2.0.

By: Steve Clay

Steve Clay — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:09:40 +0000

This is good advice, but where’s the real substance of the “reevaluation”? What kind of limitations did you run into? How does it let you down or come through? The harshest criticism I’ve seen is from the team itself on the 2.0 development wiki. They’ve got their work cut out for them.

By: Mikael

Mikael — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 00:30:49 +0000

Sounds like you hated it.
j/k

By: Tero

Tero — Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:15:28 +0000

Any framework is better than no framework, but I have to say symfony’s documentation was really helpful to understand its methodologies. I think zend is also great framework, but it is lacking good documentation and with documentation I don’t mean tutorials.

By: Wiseguy

Wiseguy — Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:10:54 +0000

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I’m glad to see you back, as you haven’t posted in quite a while.